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TOPIC: [KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions]

[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 25 Jun 2015 20:06 #30751

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We try.
But if z3nny close zombie server, not my fault , ok ? :mrgreen:
(cause if we don't have too many player > server close by z3n)


I am also angry because you have one chance.
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Why I have wanted to take the rcon password of KRH / KRH knowing that I was a member, admin who didn't need that?
Why I have wanted to lose all that I gained after years of waiting?
Why I have wanted to hurt KZH when I creates a plugin for you?
No reason, i didn't create this pk3.
Last Edit: 25 Jun 2015 20:13 by Tivise.
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 25 Jun 2015 22:20 #30752

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Which chance do I have?
Will do kills for Food :]
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 25 Jun 2015 22:45 #30753

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You (kzh) have only one chance to open a zombie 4.2 server. I mean.
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Why I have wanted to take the rcon password of KRH / KRH knowing that I was a member, admin who didn't need that?
Why I have wanted to lose all that I gained after years of waiting?
Why I have wanted to hurt KZH when I creates a plugin for you?
No reason, i didn't create this pk3.
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 26 Jun 2015 18:44 #30756

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Tivise wrote:
You (kzh) have only one chance to open a zombie 4.2 server. I mean.

Depends on the expected rules and conditions. I think about major server conditions I have the word as hoster. And I think about server rules the clan senior admins should vote - as we did it so long.

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And I am still sure we shouldn't delete all the bans and let every cheater in.
An example from the early 4.1 times when I started to host servers: there was an other server I was playing before mine.
My server was already empty for months. And I had to play on other servers and on this one. But there were cheaters all the time. I asked the hoster to ban them. He told me he has so few players, that he prefers to leave cheaters in to have more players.

But I think his logic failed: the nice and fair players went away because playing with cheaters or insulters or other annoying idiots was just boring and very unfair for them.
Now my servers are still online, his is closed since years.

I prefer to attract nice and fair players. It works better for a longer server life cycle. Worth to wait a bit.
Nothing personal.
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 26 Jun 2015 19:14 #30757

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It's ok, ban them.

But i told you that z3nny want people to [KzH]Zombie 4.2.
And if we will don't have this people, he close it.

You'r the hoster, but the modder has the power, as you see.

You can choose to stay with banned players, z3nny approve it.
But i think to server.

Z3nnY say me:
KzH will have only one chance:
During 1-2 weeks, server be on "test".
If we have people:
we win the challenge.

If we don't have people:
we lose the challenge and z3nny close the [MOD].


Do you understand ? That's not i'm F1 to unban all players, but F1 to get more players.


Tivise,
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Why I have wanted to lose all that I gained after years of waiting?
Why I have wanted to hurt KZH when I creates a plugin for you?
No reason, i didn't create this pk3.
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 26 Jun 2015 19:28 #30758

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That is ridiculous.

I was warned that you are impatient, but are you serious about running a server with the just dying urbanterror up full within 1-2 weeks?
I host servers since 6+ years. Look at all the best ranked servers since how long they are open?

If this is your condition, so you better keep your mod and open an own server and show me how full it is on 12. July 2015.

(Nevertheless there was no reason mentioned why Z3nny would have this "full server within 1-2 weeks" ridiculous condition? Only beacuse you want to let play your banned cheater friends?
Otherwise it will be hard to find a believable reason for this stupid rule. Because after writing this down you can't say that you or Z3nny would truly work for the urbanterror game & community...
Instead.)
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 26 Jun 2015 20:09 #30759

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I think it's unfair for the in game players to play with cheaters on the other team because thats just anoying.
It's also unfair for the people that had to work hard in finding out cheaters and demo them and I feel letting the cheaters play again in KzH servers would be like throwing every admin and players work to the garbage.
But that's my opinion...
You may not agree with my actions. But here among us, your opinion is worthless to me!
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 26 Jun 2015 21:22 #30760

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Why you play agressive, Snail ?

That's the condition of Z3nnY, not mine.

I just repeat what he say to me.

Unban all cheaters (majority stop cheat) is mine idea to get more chance.
If you don't aprove it, refuse it, it's you'r choice.


As z3nny said to me, we will have 2 weeks to get players to our servers.


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mine opinion of this condition:
I just say to calm you: It's easy when it's a zombie server but i never try with too many banned players.
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I was warned that you are impatient, but are you serious about running a server with the just dying urbanterror up full within 1-2 weeks?


Close it, and when server will be ready, we start it.
Made a b3 and server (with z3n mod) make 2-4 hours.
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Why I have wanted to take the rcon password of KRH / KRH knowing that I was a member, admin who didn't need that?
Why I have wanted to lose all that I gained after years of waiting?
Why I have wanted to hurt KZH when I creates a plugin for you?
No reason, i didn't create this pk3.
Last Edit: 26 Jun 2015 21:28 by Tivise.
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 29 Jun 2015 20:39 #30768

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seriously guys....on 4.2-.you shouldn't again ban cheaters which cheated on 4.1.4.2 is other game,it's not the same as 4.1(ofc it's a new version of urt but it's different).i'll give you one example for one game(it's just an example):game battlefield 3-player was banned because of cheating(on any server) by admins of any clan.company release new game-battlefield 4.clan is moving servers to battlefield 4.same player who was banned on battlefield 3 wanna play on same clan's server who banned him on old version/server(battlefield 3) because of cheating.maybe player stopped to cheat but clan again ban player because he cheated or was breaking rules on old version.ofc,they can ban him if he again cheats but if he stopped they shouldn't.they would like to get more players on their server like we.

what's the point of this story?...maybe you don't agree but it's my opinion.give chance to all cheaters/evaders/insulters/switchers.....some of them stopped cheating/breaking rules and some of them didn't,so who will break rules on new server(4.2 server),he will be punished/banned as he did on 4.1.


now my suggestion about zombie server:we should wait urt 4.3.urt 4.3 will be very soon released(im qa member and i know it,atm we are doing pre-release testing and it will be released soon.so i wanna say that when 4.3 release we can make zombie server on 4.3.briefly-zenny give us files,we will make server,lamme will host it,all players will start playing urt 4.3,our server will have a lot of players/be full.that's a good idea for me.And don't forget if you want to your server get full don't ban players which will play on 4.3 cuz they were breaking rules on 4.1..

i wanna see your opinion guys.


i like this clan and i do my best to become popular clan like before



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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 29 Jun 2015 22:00 #30769

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Thanks for your suggestion Milan.
Between Battlefield and UrT there are many differences.
4.2 may be a new game but it's pretty much the same with just some small changes, unlike battlefield 3 and 4 (4 is a totally diffrenet game). What im saying is that people who hacked in 4.1 can easily hack in 4.2 too (almost the same game-same hacks). In Battlefield or Steam games for example, if you hack, you're getting banned by EA or Steam themselves, not only in one server, but in the whole game (forever) and VAC system for example bans the hacker in every steam game there is out there. So if you own a professional clan with professional admins, you shouldn't unban cheaters who were banned forever, they are humans, they can simply download the hack and hack again, why dump the work of the admins who caught the cheaters?

Ok for the bottom line: I don't care giving the cheaters who were banned until 2013 a chance (IMO a ban for 3 years is enough). But from 2013 and above, no way for an unban. I know I said they should be banned forever but we really need players and atleast unban really old cheaters, if they cheat again, I agree for a forever ban.
"I am the reason for the world hunger" - Diddlie
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 30 Jun 2015 09:30 #30770

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4.2 may be a new game but it's pretty much the same with just some small changes

What do you say ? LOL

Minecraft 1.8 is not Minecraft 1.9
(just some small changes).


Ok, if battle field will create battle field 5 "with just small changes",
that's not a new game ? that's stupid.

Man, you don't have server and you say their is cheater like on 4.1 ?
I think you have problem to think that.
On aCen, i think they don't ban any cheater about 2 month ?

Lol, sorry but for me you'r answer is just idiot... :hs:


you want just ban, ban ban.

Sorry but now, you act like immature clan.


I'm tired to explain the logic, Milan gives you a perfect and real example.
And you saying stupid things like "4.2 has not had much change."
You have to be a beginner gamer to tell a similar bullshit.


Tell me Lammesnail, on KRH 4.2 servers, there are cheaters? you often crossed?

Tell me Lammesnail, you want to do good for KZH, or you want to let the death as they already are?

You will talk to me about what? My behavior? no I give my opinion.
You may have never cheat, but I speak as a person who lived for one month the cheat there 4-5 years now.

You post demos daily from hack / cheat on 4.1.

But go see them fucking other banlist other servers in 4.2 and tell me if you see ban cheaters.

You are acting like children.
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Why I have wanted to lose all that I gained after years of waiting?
Why I have wanted to hurt KZH when I creates a plugin for you?
No reason, i didn't create this pk3.
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 30 Jun 2015 12:43 #30771

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It seems my arguments are just again and again misunderstood.
And you all keep pushing me to delete the previous bans with different reasons.
Since you couldn’t understand/accept my arguments, I will try to explain this thing with an example.

Just imagine I have a shop, I am a shop owner. Most of the customers come to buy, but some just want the goods for free: they steal. I have guards, they help me to catch the thieves. Of course we can’t catch every thief, but who we do with evidence, we ban from the shop.
Now I plan to open a new shop. And you tell me now: please allow everyone to come in, even the previously banned thieves. Because they were banned from a different shop. And because in the new shop will be a sophisticated surveillance camera system, so I don’t need to worry…
But WTH? Why should I trust these thieves? There was a reason for their ban.
And you say we need enough customers otherwise the shop have to be closed. Yes that could be truth. But a thief will not rise much the income. And if the normal customers see the mob coming in, making trouble and annoy everyone, they will not come back and they will look for another shop.
The troublemaker mob will not attract the fair customers.
So by my opinion if we would like to have more valuable customers, we shouldn’t let in the mob/thieves/troublemaker.

And this is why KzH is still alive, while Z9, the first 4.1 ZOMBIE server is long ago offline: we were stricter against insulters and cheaters, and who really wanted to play, came to KzH after they finally had a choice (and not just 1 – Z9 zombie server existed).

IMO the new shop / new game discussion is pointless.

I didn’t change my mind. Have you?
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 30 Jun 2015 13:05 #30772

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I repeat, it's just a suggestion, not a condition.
I just explain you made a risk.


Condition of Z3nny:
- Server need to be famous.

With that condition, i propose:
- We need to give second chance to the new game (4.2).

I repeat, it's you'r clan, you'r server.
You choose it, but don't say it's my fault if z3nny close it because i prevent you all the times.

It's ok ?
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Why I have wanted to lose all that I gained after years of waiting?
Why I have wanted to hurt KZH when I creates a plugin for you?
No reason, i didn't create this pk3.
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 30 Jun 2015 14:50 #30774

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Why is the big push about being famous or visited?
Do I get more money from anything when the server is more famous and full?
No.
Do you?
I suppose no.

You know KzH became more famous and visited as Z9 was. But it took severel months.
I tell you what makes a server well played: when there are players always online.
So when you or Z3nny really worry about this server, so be there always online.

The online presence of FAIR admins will attract players and not cheaters.
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 01 Jul 2015 13:08 #30778

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See you to zombie so ? B)
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Why I have wanted to lose all that I gained after years of waiting?
Why I have wanted to hurt KZH when I creates a plugin for you?
No reason, i didn't create this pk3.
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 01 Jul 2015 13:51 #30779

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Tivise wrote:
See you to zombie so ? B)

Did you see me on the 4.1 ZOMBIE? :huh:
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 01 Jul 2015 16:59 #30780

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I mean on future zombie 4.2 :hs:
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Why I have wanted to lose all that I gained after years of waiting?
Why I have wanted to hurt KZH when I creates a plugin for you?
No reason, i didn't create this pk3.
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 02 Jul 2015 18:50 #30781

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Well I didn't play ZOMBIE before so I don't think I will. Of course I can be there sometimes, but not I will be the most regular player - KzH members should be instead ...
:P
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 27 Jul 2015 22:05 #30807

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How do we stay with this stuff?
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[KzH]FreezeMoney 4.2 [Suggestions] 28 Jul 2015 07:18 #30812

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I mail to z3nny about zombie
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Why I have wanted to take the rcon password of KRH / KRH knowing that I was a member, admin who didn't need that?
Why I have wanted to lose all that I gained after years of waiting?
Why I have wanted to hurt KZH when I creates a plugin for you?
No reason, i didn't create this pk3.
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